My final thoughts about HP and shipping, also posted at HF.
Even after a few hours, the news still stings quite a bit.
For all our efforts in trying to explain away JKR's ridiculous plot holes and unforgivable character assassinations in HBP, it turns out that JKR really is a shallow, short-sighted, and highly irresponsible writer. Ironically, Harmonians have always been the ones to defend her work. We're the ones who dove deeply into her world, found richness buried between the lines, and applauded what appeared to be JKR's inspiring perspective on relationships.
We were wrong.
H/Hr had developed inadvertently in canon; the bond between Harry and Hermione was purely an accident, a result of the character of Hermione "wandering" from JKR's original intentions.
This is nothing short of incredible. To think that JKR does not see the gold mine that was Hermione's character, the amazing relationship she could have written between the hero and once beloved heroine... all in favor of fulfilling her frail ego with a glaring Mary Sue that makes her an amateur writer of the lowest degree.
If JKR had sunk Harmony in a more respectful way, as she did D/Hr and N/L, I would have had no problem, because that would simply mean JKR's ideal relationships are OBHWF. I cringe at the shoddy way OBHWF was written in canon, and I do not see how OBHWFers can be so pleased with the non-existent development and abusive behavior JKR has fed them.
Of course, I extend my sincerest congratulations to OBHWF supporters, but they need to bear in mind that they have been fed the most shallow victory ever handed to a ship. JKR couldn't even sink Harmony in canon; she had to do it in an interview. It's a strangely fitting end for us, and an appropriate beginning for our rival ships which relied heavily on quotes instead of the text itself.
Even at the end, Harmonians were still right all along. In order for OBHWF to happen, we've maintained that Hermione's character would suffer the most, and suffer she did. JKR might as well have written a new character in Hermione's stead, so harsh and drastic were the differences from OotP to HBP. The Hermione we grew to love in the first five books was murdered.
At Hermione's expense, Ginny Weasley, the most obvious Mary Sue in modern literature, took the place at the forefront of Harry's consciousness. At Hermione's expense, the Hr/R relationship gained ground in abusive bickering and petty, horrifying displays of jealousy. Harmonians have known all along that Ron is not Hermione's equal, because she had been portrayed as the series heroine in books 1-5. Hermione's complete destruction for OBHWF's sake was not an entirely unexpected tragedy, but that does not make the crime any less atrocious.
But for JKR to openly laugh at Harmonians? Singling out and mocking a group of people that has endured, for her sake, years of bullying and degrading arguments from OBHWF sycophants and blind worshippers? People who wrote so many brilliant essays and came up with countless imaginative theories that gave JKR and her series depth she could not afford?
This is rude, despicable, and inexcusably tasteless behavior.
This shows that JKR never deserved the praise, never deserved the credit attributed to her by so many Harmonians. This shows that JKR values her pride, her ego, and her money much more than her work or her readers. Is she furious with us for seeing something in her characters that she failed to see? Is she furious with us for bringing up valid criticisms of her work, instead of obsequiously bowing to everything she writes as others do? What is so inherently bad about the ideals represented by Harmony that its supporters deserve such nasty, public derision?
She even agrees with the baseless and hypocritical accusations about Harmonians hating Ron, forgetting the fact that most OBHWFers loathe Hermione with a passion.
I deeply regret ever comparing Rowling to Jane Austen, an author who did have admirable values about love and a proper grasp of human relationships. JKR has neither the talent nor the vision to follow the enormous potential of her characters. She never realized why her characters seemed to wander away from her plans--specifically Hermione. JKR does not even reread her past work, and she has the gall to tell us to reread her books, after we have read between the lines for years.
To keep to her master plan, JKR needed to destroy her characters. We were willing to give her the benefit of a doubt--surely she could see that her characters were acting in ridiculous and unbelievable ways? But there is no depth in her work, and there never has been. In this way, we have been delusional; we have been delusional to believe that JKR was writing with depth, with a greater purpose.
My time in HP fandom is over. I see no value in even marginally promoting the misguided ideals of a shallow, conniving Mary Sue author who got seriously lucky with her first novel. I will not, however, abandon the ideals of Harmony because those are the ideals I cherish the most, second only to my religious beliefs.
Respect, trust, understanding, compromise, equality, maturity, friendship, and love.
Those are the values that Harmonians uphold, and before JKR's character assassination and displays of derision, we believed that Harry and Hermione were the epitome of this ideal. H/Hr will never pass, and I will never again address JKR's work, but I shall not abandon the H.M.S. Harmony. I refuse to abandon my shipmates and friends.
There are more worthwhile things out there, things that represent the values of Harmony. Not only should we search for them; we should create them for ourselves.
So if you're an artist, draw. If you're a writer, write.
But whatever it is that you do, be proud that you are, and forever will be, a Harmonian.
ETA: I didn't realize people would get into an uproar over something as simple as my renouncing JKR. It's fascinating how one opinion out of thousands could generate this much silliness. I've explained my views repeatedly, and I have no further interest or patience in clarifying my position.
I've moved on, thanks. I recommend you do the same.
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July 21 2005, 08:10:42 UTC 6 years ago
I think it's interesting that Hermione went "wandering off.." To Harry. Hence, where we got our canon. Even JKR couldn't keep her off of him. ^_-;
July 21 2005, 10:14:30 UTC 6 years ago
It's good that we noticed it, but sad that JKR had to completely contradict it for the sake of OBHWF. If Hermione had been the way she was in HBP all along, I wouldn't have liked her. I wouldn't have shipped her with Harry. I wouldn't have been so interested in HP, period.
Excellent red herring, JKR. Hermione, the role model bookworm heroine from books 1-5. Regressed dramatically in HBP.
Brilliant.
Anonymous
July 21 2005, 08:23:35 UTC 6 years ago
Proud to have sailed with you
Rune, McG here ... I am proud to have sailed the HMS Harmony with you.I too, am leaving the fandom. But I remain forever a sailor on the HMS Harmony.
If you need me for anything, anything at all, write me at gryffindorgirl1031@yahoo.com. I will always be here for my beloved fellow Harmonians.
July 21 2005, 10:19:33 UTC 6 years ago
Re: Proud to have sailed with you
*hugs McG*It's sad to see you go, but I'm just as glad and just as proud to have sailed this ship with you. Your words and ideas have continually blown me away and inspired me so much all this time. Thank you.
And the offer goes both ways; if you ever need anything, just contact me. I'll definitely be here. :)
The best part of shipping in this fandom are the kind and brilliant Harmonians I've met. Although I'm done with JKR, I'll always remain aboard the H.M.S. Harmony, because it's so much more than just HP now.
July 21 2005, 08:26:07 UTC 6 years ago
A small part of me still can't help but think that she's being deceitful in HBP and in the interview. I have the smallest mustard seed of faith that she's going to finish this the way it should go as far as the shipping is concerned. There's just too much H/Hr imagery in the books for it to go quietly into this bad night.
I wonder if she will realize the hurt she caused this part of her readership today.
July 21 2005, 10:24:21 UTC 6 years ago
I don't really care much for JKR's words anymore. If there's anything that I don't like, it's a Mary Sue author, and JKR has proven herself to be one, no matter what a lot of people may claim. It's just astounding how much H/Hr canon, how much H/Hr imagery, was purely accidental from the first five books, but since I have little respect left for JKR, I'm not too shocked that it was sheer, dumb luck.
And her laughter was vicious. Vicious and unnecessarily cruel.
I hope she realizes that. Even N/L sank with more grace than us.
Anonymous
July 21 2005, 08:27:41 UTC 6 years ago
I agree
I will always remain a Harmonian at heart. It is hard to find out that we were so wrong about JKR. The only thing I regret is that now so many people are leaving fandom. I wish you wouldn't because that is where I really fell in love with this ship. But it is your choice, and I wish you all the best.July 21 2005, 10:28:33 UTC 6 years ago
Re: I agree
I don't know you as you didn't leave your name, but I'm glad you'll remain a Harmonian at heart as well. While I still keep the same values, I don't feel that JKR deserves the effort I put into my work.But since I uphold these same ideals, I figured the best place to direct my efforts would be my own creations, as well as other fandoms in which authors do not hold their fans in contempt.
I'll be around online, but I won't support the twisted values that JKR is impressing upon so many younger readers. I just won't stand for that.
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July 21 2005, 08:46:48 UTC 6 years ago
no...
do stick around, this great ship has not sunk. I've sailed it for over 2 years knowing it couldn't come true. I'm most just mad about the fact that JKR has been so disrespectful.
there is something called Project Harmony, it's a group of people that are going to get together and rewrite HBP the way we think it should have gone. you should look into it. You are obviously a brilliant writer, and you obviously share the ideology. :D
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/projectha
July 21 2005, 10:31:08 UTC 6 years ago
I still feel that I shouldn't waste any more effort on a mediocre, Mary Sue author like Rowling, especially when I should be working on my own projects, but I'll consider your offer.
And of course we haven't sunk. I don't see D/Hr or H/D giving up any time soon, after all. ;)
I just really don't want to waste any more time or thought on JKR.
July 21 2005, 08:57:35 UTC 6 years ago
JKR has been sinking "Harmony" since book 2. You just ignored her.
JKR might as well have written a new character in Hermione's stead, so harsh and drastic were the differences from OotP to HBP.
How was HBP Hermione different? She seemed like the same feisty girl who slapped Draco and cursed Marietta with facial scarring that STILL hasn't disappeared. She was the same jealous, frustrated girl who penned a long letter to Viktor Krum in front of Ron, and suggested that Harry should do things to make Cho jealous. She was the same, beautifully imperfect, three-dimensional Hermione. Perhaps you regarded HBP as "character assassination" because it proved (assuming books 2-5 weren't enough) that Hermione does, in fact, like Ron.
Ginny Weasley, the most obvious Mary Sue in modern literature, took the place at the forefront of Harry's consciousness.
How is Ginny a Mary Sue? JKR has been building her up since book 1, and she's hardly faultless - she has a horrible temper. And how was she at the forefront of Harry's consciousness? Hermione has been one of his best friends for six years, and HBP did nothing to change that.
The Hr/R relationship gained ground in abusive bickering and petty, horrifying displays of jealousy.
"Abusive" bickering? Ron and Hermione rarely bicker, and when they do, it's almost always playful banter. They are the Benedict and Beatrice (the Darcy and Lizzy, the Gilbert and Anne... need I go on?) of the HP series. They're passionate 16-year-olds who are frustrated with each other.
Harmonians have known all along that Ron is not Hermione's equal
Correction: you have maintained all along that Ron doesn't deserve Hermione, willfully ignoring all the amazingly selfless, noble things he has done and said. It was RON who defended Hermione to Snape and got detention. It was RON who was always worried about her, asking about her schedule and her wellbeing. It was RON (despite what Steve Kloves rewrote) who stood on a broken leg and twice stated the resolve to die with Harry. Harry appreciates Hermione as a great friend, but it has always been Ron who worries about her and defends her. The tragedy is that you "Harmonians" refused to see it.
This shows that JKR never deserved the praise, never deserved the credit attributed to her by so many Harmonians. This shows that JKR values her pride, her ego, and her money much more than her work or her readers.
What it shows is that some people, instead of admitting they were wrong, choose to attack an author who has brought joy to millions of people.
She even agrees with the baseless and hypocritical accusations about Harmonians hating Ron, forgetting the fact that most OBHWFers loathe Hermione with a passion.
From what you yourself have said about Ron, it's not baseless at all. And show me ONE R/H fan who hates Hermione - one. You may show me some fans who love Hermione as the three-dimensional character she is. But you will not find a single R/H fan who doesn't adore Hermione.
She never realized why her characters seemed to wander away from her plans--specifically Hermione.
Why do you continue to assume that Hermione's "wandering" had anything to do with H/H? More than likely, she's referring to the evolving of Hermione's character from an uptight goody-goody (as JKR herself used to be) to a feisty girl with a rebellious streak. As Hermione grows up, she discovers her potential to change the things she doesn't like - even if it means breaking a few rules.
July 21 2005, 08:58:01 UTC 6 years ago
My time in HP fandom is over. I see no value in even marginally promoting the misguided ideals of a shallow, conniving Mary Sue author who got seriously lucky with her first novel. I will not, however, abandon the ideals of Harmony because those are the ideals I cherish the most, second only to my religious beliefs.
Are bitterness and resentment some of the ideals of Harmony?
I'm probably wasting my time by replying this, especially since I hate getting involved with "fandom wank" situations. But I couldn't read your hugely biased and unfair post and not respond. The only "character assassination" has been committed by people who refuse to see the goodness and nobility in Ron - who refuse to see in him what his two best friends, Harry and Hermione, have always seen. Frankly, the fandom will be better without people who insist that they know JKR's characters better than she does.
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July 21 2005, 12:42:38 UTC 6 years ago
But, as a lover of irony, I can't help but be twistedly amused that the Harry/Hermione hints wasn't intended. The quote that really bothers me is 'certin feelings between the THREE of them.'
July 21 2005, 19:04:40 UTC 6 years ago
And it's kind of strange and annoying that H/Hr was purely accidental. JKR herself was responsible for the length of the shipping wars, especially with such quotes, so her behavior towards H/Hr shippers is appalling.
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*hugs*
Diana
July 21 2005, 19:05:58 UTC 6 years ago
I'll see you around. :)
*hugs back*
July 21 2005, 14:45:44 UTC 6 years ago
Personally, I'm very unhappy about the Remus/Tonks relationship. But I'm not going to resort to petty insults against JKR. The woman may not have the technical writing ability of Thackeray or Fitzgerald or Steinbeck or other modern classics, but the world she has created is the most believable and detailed fantasy world I've ever read, and the books are compelling. The very violence of the reactions from the shipping community shows the effect the books have had.
Can you not work through your disgust (which is of course justified if you held hopes of H/Hr: as a R/Hr and H/G shipper I know if H/Hr had happened I would have been very disapppointed) and return to the books? It's such a shame to abandon the series over a matter like this. The books are about so much more than who is shagging who. Have you no curiosity about what will happen? Even if you dislike "Ginny Sue", (and I think that before claiming a wonderful, strong, clever, funny, BUT STILL FLAWED girl like Ginny is a Mary Sue, you should actually read some Mary Sue fics - check out
I am going to read the essays you recommended, because I'm curious to see where your ideas come from. I used to ship H/Hr but realised after PoA that R/Hr seemed more likely and more satisfying. I am interested to see why you believed what you did until HBP, against what is to me incontrovertible canon evidence. Would you do me the courtesy of reading some pro- H/G essays? If you still don't agree, fair enough, but at least you've heard both sides of the story. You can find a pro-H/G (including a defence of "Ginny Sue") here.
I totally accept your right to ship H/Hr. If you wanted to ship Harry and the Giant Squid, I'd be fine with that. I might back away slowly, but I'd tolerate it. I accept your right to think that HBP was not up to the standards of the previous book. I even accept your right to think that JKR is not a great writer. What I really can't stand is the way you have turned on JKR and started slagging her off simply because the story took a turn you are unhappy with, especially by suggesting that the direction of the stories was guided by monetary concerns. That is childish. Present a criticism of the work, but do not insult the author.
July 21 2005, 16:08:42 UTC 6 years ago
I daresay she was first in doing so. Take a look at jkrowling.com extra stuff. Then you might see where such reaction comes from.
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July 21 2005, 14:47:13 UTC 6 years ago
I expected JKR to sink HHr. I honestly did. But I DID NOT expect her to be so cold hearted like she was in that interview. People keep on saying that delusion was not her word but excuse me, laughing at our expense and calling us militant does not make it better. And laughing at Emerfuckingson wording is just as bad as saying. So yeah, she technically didn't say the word, but does not mean it didnt ring true to her.
Also, as for Ron and Hermione being the canon ship all along? Call me stubborn, call me bias, just call me whatever you want to call me but I don't buy it. Harry and Hermione have much TOO many canon moments for it all to be accidental. JKR got influenced by her fans and no matter what she says, I'm not going to think otherwise. If Harry and Hermione were indeed a red-herring all along, she did a poorly job at it. And if it was indeed all an accident, it was JKR's best accident ever. Too bad she didn't see a goldmine when she had it.
I am also leaving the HP fandom but definitely not this ship. Hell fucking no am not. It's going to take a lot more than JKR's hurtful words for me to abandon Harmony. Everything that Harry and Hermione stand for are still there. At least everything before book 6. As long as we have people faithful to this ship, the Harmony ship has not and will never sink. I hope you continue to draw and write H/Hr. It's now more than ever that we have to show JKR that regardless of her hurtful words, the HHr ship is stronger than ever.
And apparently people STILL want to debate with us after the interview massacre?! To that I say, fuck you very much. :)
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July 21 2005, 14:49:30 UTC 6 years ago
JKR: Harry/Hermione isn't in the text.
Interviewer: H/Hr shippers are delusional!
JKR: No they're not. But their reading comprehension isn't so good.
H/Hr shipper-turned-icon-maker: OMG JKR THINKS I'M DELUSIONAL!!!!!
...beautiful.
July 21 2005, 19:00:23 UTC 6 years ago
Well, it's really more than that (e.g. character assassination, Ginny Sue, Asshat!Harry, Useless!Ron, WTF!Hermione), but thanks.
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July 21 2005, 14:56:59 UTC 6 years ago
Why do you all care so much what happens in canon?
I've asked this before, in other places, in both serious and non-serious ways, but, seriously, what's the difference?
a) They're sixteen. If you're over sixteen1, are you still with the person you were with when you were sixteen? No matter how truly in love you may have thought you were at the time?
b) There's a war on, and there's plenty of speculation, based on canon hints, that Ron's going to die in it.
c) Harry has already canonically broken up with Ginny. Granted, there's every chance JKR intends to put them together as soon as Voldemort is defeated, or that she intends for Ginny to follow Harry around against his will and get herself in danger and have all sorts of sickeningly annoying romantic little moments during their adventures together -- but THAT canon is years away from now. There's nothing whatsoever to prevent you from writing fic where Hermione realizes Ron's never growing up, or that the bickering isn't as fun as she thought it would be, or where Ron gets hit by a bus while crossing a street in London, if you want. In all seriousness: there's NOTHING to prevent you from writing post-war fic where Harry and Hermione, for any of a BILLION different reasons, end up married and living happily ever after.
d) I don't agree that Hermione is out of character -- I'm actually not sure how I feel about that concept, but I think I do actually believe an author can change a character so randomly and stupidly that their own canon contains an OOC person -- but I think she's really the same Hermione I've always liked -- she's just, for reasons that have more to do with hormones than logic, in love with Ron right now.
As long as both Harry and Hermione remain living in canon, I really think there's no reason to be this worked up. Hell, I'm annoyed about Harry/Ginny, too, because I thought it was stupid -- "hmm, this potion smells like the Burrow! Hey, it smells like Ginny, that girl I've never been interested in! Oi, Dean's snogging her! I think I'm in love!" I also think having Remus, who is so clearly coded as being gay, involved with Tonks is one of the stupidest, most tacked-on things ever -- but I'm not complaining that Sirius/Remus has been sunk or destroyed or anything.
Characters, just like people, grow and change over time. As long as no one gets killed -- and frankly, in the Potterverse, I don't know that it's fair to say that death is really, truly permanent anyway -- but we'll need to see what the deal is with the mirrors first, won't we -- as long as Harry and Hermione live, they can end up together. Look at it as a challenge.
For the record: I ship good writers, not characters. Ron/Hermione makes more sense to me than Harry/Hermione, but I think both could happen. Including simultaneously2. So could Harry/Luna. So could Ron/Luna. Harry/Ron, I'm less sure about, but if they're drunk enough, sure. In the hands of a good writer, anything is possible. I don't know any of you, and don't know if you write, or if you do, if it's any good, but from the essay I'm responding to, you seem to have plenty of ability. If JKR changes her world in ways you don't like, it's up to you (collectively) to fix it. That's what makes us a fandom, as opposed to just a bunch of people who read the books.
1 It's possible to interpret this as an implication that you're all thirteen. I absolutely don't intend it that way, even if I've jokingly suggested that elsewhere. I simply mean that teenage relationships rarely last.
2 In a "God, I love Ron, but, I love Harry too" sort of way, not in a sweaty tangle of drunken limb sort of way. Er, actually, I'd read either.
July 21 2005, 19:15:32 UTC 6 years ago
If you were looking to change my mind, well, sorry. :P
In the end, it's really a matter of personal opinion and personal experience. It's not just because canon got wrecked or my ship was sunk in an interview. I would've stayed in fandom if JKR were respectful, wrote a stroke of brilliance, and sent a positive message to her readers in the OBHWF relationships and the portrayals of her main characters.
I see none of that, and the effort and energy spent by Harmonians online has been openly ridiculed by the author herself.
That gives me no reason to devote more of my time and energy to a poor Mary Sue writer who contrives many aspects of her story.
I wish JKR had written OBHWF well enough so that I could properly congratulate their supporters, but I can't help but see what a shallow deal they've been given.
No thanks. Everyone else can have JKR's world, so now just let me go create my own. :)
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It's actually quite liberating, JKR insults notwithstanding. The illogical arguments were getting old, and while I didn't expect those to be right and for all the subtext we found to be accidental, it's most depressing the way Hermione died for OBHWF.
Oh well. On to bigger and better things!
July 21 2005, 18:34:25 UTC 6 years ago
you've never read the Anita Blake book, I take it? Or these prehistoric books with Ayla, the wonderwoman who invents everything from the wheel to the needle to contraception? Or the Anne Bishop books?
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Actually, I'm pretty sure that title goes to The Vampire Lestat.
July 21 2005, 19:07:59 UTC 6 years ago
As I said above, what JKR has written goes to the largest audience on the planet.
Ginny Sue triumphs above the rest, in what may be the biggest and longest exercise of ego gratification the world has ever seen! :P
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July 22 2005, 00:11:50 UTC 6 years ago
This is one of the most hilarious things I have ever read in my life.
The books are not about 'shipping, that is something we do for fun on the side.
I agree with what Kenboy said in the above post.
I can see why you made fandom wank though, so congrats on making a big deal over something so ridiculous! ;)
July 22 2005, 00:47:01 UTC 6 years ago
People who Fandom_wank: Congratulations, you have been FANDOM_WANKED! HAHAHA, DUN DUN DUN!
Person who's been Fandom_wanked: Urm...Right. This means...what to me, exactly?
People who Fandom_wank:...That you've been fandom_wanked and people who have never seen or spoken to you laugh. And come to spam your LJ.
Person who's been Fandom_wanked:...Right. Well...if you'll excuse me, I have to go continue to express my beliefs and opinions despite you and what a bunch of people I don't care about find amusing now.
People who Fandom_wank:... ...We fandom_wank you -again!-
Person who's been Fandom_wanked:..Uh-huh. ...'Still having no effect on my life what so ever...and my freedom of speech is sort of still in tacked, so...
Fandom_wank's only weapon is that they fandom_wank people. And when the person fandom_wanked (bafflingly!) goes on living, all that fandom_wank can do...is go find someone else to fandom_wank. This has...what effect on what, exactly? Right.
*Giggles* Duuudes, who thinks I'll be fandom_wanked now? Well, if nothing else, I called it first. And when it happens, I'll still react with, "...Okay. And..?"
Much love to Rune.
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July 22 2005, 00:28:10 UTC 6 years ago
It shall be very hard, from afar I've seen you contribute great things.
But, as I said. As much as it hurts to see people leaving, I wish them, including you, the best of luck in RL and all of your endeavors.
I do hope you'll pop in once in a while. Is it odd that I think that, maybe, after the more initial shock and angst is over, this place might get..really fun?
Much love--and be happy. *Wave*
July 22 2005, 05:54:57 UTC 6 years ago
It's not like I'm going to be gone forever anyway, or I'll stop producing art or whatnot. I'll be around HF in particular, but I just won't go near HP with a ten-foot pole.
And once school starts, my online time will diminish quite drastically. Either way, I would have withdrawn from the fandom.
I support the shipmates, but I don't support JKR. Simple as that.
July 22 2005, 01:05:50 UTC 6 years ago
Look, I know there are some things every one of us HP-fans were disappointed with. That's just what happens when you get totally involved in fiction that's still growing. Just ask a Star Wars fan.
I'm sorry you feel you have to leave something you love so much just because of the author's choice. I just hope you understand that the choice has always been JKR's, and that we as fans don't have much of a right to tell her otherwise.
July 22 2005, 05:39:30 UTC 6 years ago
Do I want to support her dubious agenda? Not particularly.
I'm not trying to tell JKR how to do anything. It's her world and her characters. She can have it all, and she won't miss me, I'm sure.
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What JKR wrote was a Mary Sue. She wrecked her main characters for the sake of her ego, of this Mary Sue.
It may be great therapy for her, but it's nauseating for me.
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July 22 2005, 03:49:19 UTC 6 years ago
This series is bigger than H/Hr.
Maybe they could have been the Best Soulmates Ever; I don't know. But I do know that without J.K., there would *be* no H.M.S. Harmony. No reason for it. She did not "get lucky", nor did she create this world by accident. You are not a stupid person. You saw something in these works that made you invest yourself into it, and do not dare tell me that it was just the idea that Harry and Hermione might hook up at some point in the future. She is an incredibly vivid, talented writer whose world has enchanted millions, including--if I am not very much mistaken--everyone on this board.
That world is bigger than two characters. It includes heroes other than Harry and people who are not cut from the same saintly cloth as fanon Hermione. People like Ron, who made the awful mistake to *not* be born the Wonderful Hero of All Humanity. It is a world where sometimes, just sometimes, sixteen-year-old-boys develop crushes for shallow reasons, or are jealous or petty or other non-heroic things.
This is not the Harry and Hermione Variety Hour. It is a series of childrens' books that, for one reason or another, strike a chord in people. They have a magical element that drives people to pour themselves into them--and apparently out of them, when the characters' actions diverge from a theoretical but strongly-held ideal.
I am sorry that I am camping in your backyard, and I know that you've had a hard week. But I urge you to remember some, any point in time when you looked in these books and saw more than just the potential for Harry/Hermione contained within them.
And if you have never had such a moment as that... I'm not sure we've been reading the same books at all.
July 22 2005, 05:50:13 UTC 6 years ago
But have you objectively looked at the quality of HBP?
I never cared much for the plots of HP in the first place; they are generally weak. What made me stay were the great characters, not just limited to H/Hr. I was looking forward to more Neville, more Luna, more Gred and Forge, more OotP members.
Did we get that?
Nope.
JKR ditched the plot threads she set up in OotP. Moreover, she butchered the characters and finally showed that, for all the great and deep values she preaches in her writing (e.g. choosing what's right over what's easy), she doesn't actually believe in them.
What I saw in this series was depth. I thought HP had real depth and great values to teach its readers, values that are missing in the ubiquitous, Hollywood-tainted media. In sinking and mocking Harmony, JKR has proved me completely wrong.
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July 22 2005, 14:03:09 UTC 6 years ago
However, teenage romance isn't eternal. Even though R/Hr is book canon, they might break up after the books. If you must write in the books' timeline, AUs are possible. (In fact, one of my favorite pairings in my own favored fandom is technically impossible, as the characters' lives are seperated by 3000 years and they never know of each others' existence, much less meet. It doesn't stop me....)
July 22 2005, 20:40:41 UTC 6 years ago
Everyone's looking to excuse my rant as an H/Hr shipper pissed her pairing didn't happen, but it goes beyond that. I've said it goes beyond that. I don't even like Harry and Hermione in HBP. If JKR had sunk Harmony and sailed OBHWF believably, without sacrificing her characters, I would have been fine. I would not have minded. I would have thought H/Hr was still the best possible pairing, but I would have happily sailed in fanon.
Not the case. JKR not only contrived OBHWF badly, with the insertion of a Mary Sue and character assassinations left and right; she sent a ridiculous message about relationships and then mocked some of her most stubbornly analytical readers in an interview and the text itself.
That's just tacky. IMO, she's not an author worth following.
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July 22 2005, 20:43:58 UTC 6 years ago
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July 22 2005, 19:29:48 UTC 6 years ago
Personally, I never saw much evidence for this ship in the books. Sure, Harry and Hermione are close, but that's because they're best friends. A guy and a girl can be best friends without falling in love.
(For the record, I'm not an R/Hr shipper. I'm not a shipper at all.)
July 22 2005, 20:51:58 UTC 6 years ago
Reading between the lines is precisely what my shipmates and I have done, finding depth in JKR's work (go here for some excellent examples), but in the end, the "anvil-sized" hints, which we DID see, were what mattered. All of it was on the surface.
JKR fueled the shipping wars (and all the abuse and bias against my ship) to generate interest in her series. I could've taken OBHWF in canon if it was done well, but she contrived OBHWF and butchered the characters in HBP. The final nail in her coffin was her open mockery of Harmonians.
Overall? A very shallow Mary Sue author.
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July 22 2005, 21:47:01 UTC 6 years ago
<8i>This is rude, despicable, and inexcusably tasteless behavior.</i>
I was astounded that Rowling allowed herself to be dragged into shipper wars, and that she took sides in such a rude and condescending manner. That's just not worthy of an author. My sympathies to Harmonians.
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July 22 2005, 23:20:12 UTC 6 years ago
"Respect, trust, understanding, compromise, equality, maturity, friendship, and love."
I beg your pardon, but I do believe that I read the word FRIENDSHIP there.
And seriously, I'm going to echo the words of a few other commenters. If you don't like Harry Potter as a series, that's fine. I know plenty of people that don't give a horse's mother about these books, and I'm not going to try to force them to see otherwise. However, you obviously enjoyed the books quite well prior to HBP, and as far as I can see, the main reason that you're so upset is because your ship was ruined. If you could give other reasons as to why you dislike the book, reasons that have more to do with her style or her plot than teenage relationships, then I can respect that.
July 23 2005, 14:10:41 UTC 6 years ago
As it turns out, those layers did not exist. Moreover, as if to prove that she really is a hack, JKR created a Mary Sue in Ginny Weasley. I mentioned this in my previous LJ entry; HBP stands out in the series because it is not consistent with the first five books.
In the end, JKR has proved herself not worth following because all the virtues for which I had been praising her were utterly false.
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